Rabbi Aryeh Ben David Presents His Talmudic Methodology in Relation to Kiddush
On the morning of Friday 10 February, Rabbi Aryeh Ben David spoke at YCT on the topic of Shmuel's statement that kiddush is only to be done in a place of a meal (אין קידוש אלא במקום סעודה) and the attendant discussion on his concept (see פסחים קא, עמוד א, Pesahim 101a), for which there are testimonies given for several sages who also apparently also opined according to Shmuel (as opposed to Rav, according to whose opinion the halakhah is usually decided).
Rabbi Ben David's method in going about this סוגיא (topic) was to ask a variety of questions about it, then to try to answer them. I found it to be an interesting methodology, though somewhat questionable. A interesting part of it was to consider what is so significant about having a kiddush where one is to have one's meal on shabbas. This is as opposed to Rav's position (see Pesahim 100b (פסחים ק, עמוד ב), that one can fulfill one's obligation of kiddush in shul (for more on the discussion of this argument, see Ben's posting and my posting about this), and opposed to doing kiddush not over wine. Thus, what is the experiential superiority of having kiddush where one is to dine?
At the end, he presented his thoughts on the matter at the end as to what ties kiddush to the meal experientially and what it has to do with Pesahim (this pericope appears nowhere else in the Talmud, only in here, as opposed to Shabbas, where one might expect to find it located).
Tags: Aryeh Ben David, Yeshivat Chovevei Torah, Shmuel, kiddush, meal, seudah, Talmud, Pesahim 101a